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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 11:15:43 GMT -8
For what it's worth, I enjoy the core gameplay of NobleStory. It retains all the good elements from 0.62 with integrity, while adding its own unique content like BPQ, events, and the whole trophy/leaf exchange system.
But I've come to think of Maple as a release from life--an escape. The problem with my thinking is that there is never an escape from life. All of the problems which plague real life, namely people, plague Noble as well. I've come to realize that wherever there are people, there's going to be imperfection.
This community has been less than satisfying to me, and aside from a few leading lights such as Ace, Tetris, and a few others, I haven't really met any quality friends. It's just like in real life. In 100% of my relationships outside of my family, I'm the one giving, not the one taking. I have to put in 95% of a relationship and am lucky to get 5% back. And it seems that when I do get a gift--ostensibly out of the goodness of someone's heart (bullshit now I say)--I'm constantly reminded about it until I pay it back in full. I try to help out others, and nobody helps me back.
I get the feeling that people don't value me as a friend. And so why should I value them as friends? There's really nothing keeping me here except the gameplay, but what's an MMO without a community? Very little, if you ask me.
This game's probably better without me anyway. I don't fit in.
[edit] Changed the title from "probably quitting." NPCed my entire inventory and now I can't login due to "server inspection" or "already being logged in" so I guess the game decided my fate for me.
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Post by Shassia on Feb 22, 2015 12:05:56 GMT -8
Sorry to see you go, Vyse, good luck to you.
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Post by wes on Feb 22, 2015 12:22:53 GMT -8
See ya Vyse, hope you luck in all your endeavors whether in real life or in gaming.
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Post by Often on Feb 22, 2015 12:34:18 GMT -8
But I've come to think of Maple as a release from life--an escape. The problem with my thinking is that there is never an escape from life. All of the problems which plague real life, namely people, plague Noble as well. I've come to realize that wherever there are people, there's going to be imperfection. This sucks. I hope you feel closure in whatever you do in life in the future. This community has been less than satisfying to me, and aside from a few leading lights such as Ace, Tetris, and a few others, I haven't really met any quality friends. It's just like in real life. In 100% of my relationships outside of my family, I'm the one giving, not the one taking. I have to put in 95% of a relationship and am lucky to get 5% back. And it seems that when I do get a gift--ostensibly out of the goodness of someone's heart (bullshit now I say)- -I'm constantly reminded about it until I pay it back in full. I try to help out others, and nobody helps me back. As you yourself mentioned; A relationship should not be 95%/5% and the same way you expect people to help out of the goodness of their heart - you ought to have the same expectations for yourself in that relationship. I'll have to admit one thing in our, what I (at least), considered a relationship: I might have been nagging at times, expecting you to, as you put it: "Constantly reminded about it until I pay it back in full". Though, the only reason I nagged you about Zakum was that I saw, in my opinion, a very hypocritical behavior on your part - and as a friend- I was willing to address it TO you, rather than to say this behind your back. Cause (other than the 50/50, giving and receiving parts of a friendship) a friend also tells another friend what they personally think said friend is doing wrong - constructive criticism. Now, maybe I did a bad job at the "constructive" part, but when it comes to the 95%/5%, constantly reminding you and you trying to help out others without anybody helping you; Here's what I have to say: Me: Helped you get your ZHelm, gave you ACB, offered you a 10Att WG and maybe a lvl 43 Maple sword (which you both declined), offered you leech (this, of course, is very easy to not see as "helping out" since the concept of leeching is subjective to each individual- but in my book it's still a "helping hand" ). Either way; You declined the leech offer as well. Jaeger: Helped out with your Zhelm, gave you 5 x2 EXP cards and was a ( very) pivotal key (together with Grace) in the ZRun you had organized (Granted; A lot of people flaked - but that doesn't take away from what Jaeger did). Tone: Also helped out with your Zhelm and planned on giving you ACB when he found it in his inventory, until he realized I had already given the one I found to you. Now, to me, these seem like some very very generous gestures and I'm pretty sure the only thing the three of us ever asked of you was to do something you earlier complained about didn't occur enough; Helping newer players get ZHelms. You declined me every single time I invited you to join a ZRun with a short and simple "nty". It's understandable that you might not like ZRuns in this server and we're not here to force you to go Zak just cause we helped you out, but did it ever occur to you that maybe we might have felt the exact same way at some point and still helped out the lower leveled people get their helms, be cause we do it, and let me quote you: "out of the goodness of someone's (our) heart(s)"? At one point you even honestly told me that you probably would be Zaking had I not given you the ACB skill book. So you saying " I'm the one giving, not the one taking" is nothing short of complete bs. I'm not here to bash your farewell thread. I genuinely enjoyed a lot of my online time with you. But sometimes you just have to take a good look at yourself in the mirror before blaming the other person in the relationship. I wish you the absolute best. |
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Post by ravenhaker on Feb 22, 2015 12:38:44 GMT -8
Its a shame to see you go, but I guess you've already made up your mind. Thank you for all the help when I first started.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 13:27:57 GMT -8
But I've come to think of Maple as a release from life--an escape. The problem with my thinking is that there is never an escape from life. All of the problems which plague real life, namely people, plague Noble as well. I've come to realize that wherever there are people, there's going to be imperfection. This sucks. I hope you feel closure in whatever you do in life in the future. This community has been less than satisfying to me, and aside from a few leading lights such as Ace, Tetris, and a few others, I haven't really met any quality friends. It's just like in real life. In 100% of my relationships outside of my family, I'm the one giving, not the one taking. I have to put in 95% of a relationship and am lucky to get 5% back. And it seems that when I do get a gift--ostensibly out of the goodness of someone's heart (bullshit now I say)- -I'm constantly reminded about it until I pay it back in full. I try to help out others, and nobody helps me back. As you yourself mentioned; A relationship should not be 95%/5% and the same way you expect people to help out of the goodness of their heart - you ought to have the same expectations for yourself in that relationship. I'll have to admit one thing in our, what I (at least), considered a relationship: I might have been nagging at times, expecting you to, as you put it: "Constantly reminded about it until I pay it back in full". Though, the only reason I nagged you about Zakum was that I saw, in my opinion, a very hypocritical behavior on your part - and as a friend- I was willing to address it TO you, rather than to say this behind your back. Cause (other than the 50/50, giving and receiving parts of a friendship) a friend also tells another friend what they personally think said friend is doing wrong - constructive criticism. Now, maybe I did a bad job at the "constructive" part, but when it comes to the 95%/5%, constantly reminding you and you trying to help out others without anybody helping you; Here's what I have to say: Me: Helped you get your ZHelm, gave you ACB, offered you a 10Att WG and maybe a lvl 43 Maple sword (which you both declined), offered you leech (this, of course, is very easy to not see as "helping out" since the concept of leeching is subjective to each individual- but in my book it's still a "helping hand" ). Either way; You declined the leech offer as well. Jaeger: Helped out with your Zhelm, gave you 5 x2 EXP cards and was a ( very) pivotal key (together with Grace) in the ZRun you had organized (Granted; A lot of people flaked - but that doesn't take away from what Jaeger did). Tone: Also helped out with your Zhelm and planned on giving you ACB when he found it in his inventory, until he realized I had already given the one I found to you. Now, to me, these seem like some very very generous gestures and I'm pretty sure the only thing the three of us ever asked of you was to do something you earlier complained about didn't occur enough; Helping newer players get ZHelms. You declined me every single time I invited you to join a ZRun with a short and simple "nty". It's understandable that you might not like ZRuns in this server and we're not here to force you to go Zak just cause we helped you out, but did it ever occur to you that maybe we might have felt the exact same way at some point and still helped out the lower leveled people get their helms, be cause we do it, and let me quote you: "out of the goodness of someone's (our) heart(s)"? At one point you even honestly told me that you probably would be Zaking had I not given you the ACB skill book. So you saying " I'm the one giving, not the one taking" is nothing short of complete bs. I'm not here to bash your farewell thread. I genuinely enjoyed a lot of my online time with you. But sometimes you just have to take a good look at yourself in the mirror before blaming the other person in the relationship. I wish you the absolute best. First off, as I have stated online, Paladins are horrible classes for fighting Zakum. So I wouldn't be any help at all against Zakum at all, especially considering the DPS of you, Jaeger, Tone, and others. You don't need my assistance. So is it really fair to say that by joining you, I'd really be making a sizable impact? Furthermore, every time you brought up Zakum, you never mentioned that it'd be for helping newer players, nor did you ever mention who it would be for that matter, until after you began--I was under the impression that you were simply doing it for the fun. I never complained that you guys "never helped newer players get ZHelms" as you put it; in an earlier, thread I simply made an observation, as I have stated numerous times. This was incidentally after a conversation Shassia and I had in which she was irked at you guys doing Zak runs behind her back. So rage at her, not me. I made a simple observation (which you blew way out of proportion) and attempted to organize that 1 run I did in an effort to help out some of my friends, and I got all kinds of shit from you for it. And I still continue to get shit for it. Seems that when I try to do something nice, I get reprimanded for it or disadvantaged because of it. I'm sick and tired of this pattern. I'm thankful for what you did, but you got to a point where you were constantly berating me over something stupid in the past which I didn't even do. I'm thankful for what Jaeger did as well, and I even offered to give him back the cards multiple times, to which he declined. I'll also say that for every nice thing that's been done to me, there are at least 10 people who seem to want to mooch off of me. And there are at least 30 others who are completely indifferent and apathetic to everyone but themselves. And this server has its share of bad eggs--rude douches, petty and whiny guild leaders, a guy whom I'm 90% sure hacks and gets away with it. That aside, I still don't feel at home in this server. I don't fit in. I never will, no matter where I go, and Noble only serves to reinforce this realization. |
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Post by Often on Feb 22, 2015 14:03:45 GMT -8
First off, as I have stated online, Paladins are horrible classes for fighting Zakum. So I wouldn't be any help at all against Zakum at all, especially considering the DPS of you, Jaeger, Tone, and others. You don't need my assistance. So is it really fair to say that by joining you, I'd really be making a sizable impact? Furthermore, every time you brought up Zakum, you never mentioned that it'd be for helping newer players, nor did you ever mention who it would be for that matter, until after you began--I was under the impression that you were simply doing it for the fun. I never complained that you guys "never helped newer players get ZHelms" as you put it; in an earlier, thread I simply made an observation, as I have stated numerous times. This was incidentally after a conversation Shassia and I had in which she was irked at you guys doing Zak runs behind her back. So rage at her, not me. I made a simple observation (which you blew way out of proportion) and attempted to organize that 1 run I did in an effort to help out some of my friends, and I got all kinds of shit from you for it. And I still continue to get shit for it. Seems that when I try to do something nice, I get reprimanded for it or disadvantaged because of it. I'm sick and tired of this pattern. I'm thankful for what you did, but you got to a point where you were constantly berating me over something stupid in the past which I didn't even do. I'm thankful for what Jaeger did as well, and I even offered to give him back the cards multiple times, to which he declined. I'll also say that for every nice thing that's been done to me, there are at least 10 people who seem to want to mooch off of me. And there are at least 30 others who are completely indifferent and apathetic to everyone but themselves. And this server has its share of bad eggs--rude douches, petty and whiny guild leaders, a guy whom I'm 90% sure hacks and gets away with it. That aside, I still don't feel at home in this server. I don't fit in. I never will, no matter where I go, and Noble only serves to reinforce this realization. First off: The Zak run itself has nothing to do with the amount of damage you do. It's mostly about the experience of the run (and the experience as in EXP to some) and helping each other- and others- get items that they need. If you so promptly imply that you wouldn't be making a "sizable impact" (which really no one cares about); How come you wanted to do ZRuns prior to obtaining your ACB anyways? Even though you would clearly be doing less damage without it than with it. Second off: We aren't obliged to give you a list of people who needs something from the run. You're either in to help regardless - or you're out. And in my (as you put it) "observation"; You were always out whenever you didn't need anything. Third off: The same way you take offense to not being treated the way you think you deserve to be treated (i.e the 95/5) is the same reason I, as you put it, "blew (it) way out of proportion". Call it whatever you want, but I take pride in knowing I've helped someone. Seeing them happy makes me happy. And for someone to discredit me after an (imo poor) observation really did offend me. Nonetheless: I do apologize for nagging you about it. Fourth off: Not entirely sure Jaeger and I (specifically) were included in the conversation you and Shassia had seeing as I'm pretty certain we hadn't done Zruns in quite a while before the whole discussion surfaced. Regardless; Something that Shassia did that you never did, though, was giving us all a chance. She has since then joined a fair amount of ZRuns and even though she's a Paladin (like you) that might not be the strongest DSP wise - I'm 100% sure she's enjoying every Zak moment she's experiencing in this server seeing as she's currently doing ZRuns without needing any drops whatsoever. She's doing it both for the fun of it and to help us- and others- obtain items that we're looking for. I'm also certain she isn't doing it for the EXP, even though that's completely fine, seeing as she was joining the runs prior to having reached the required level to leech. You never gave us this opportunity. You decided to come to a conclusion off of that 1 unorganized run that included 20+ people- some high, some low level- and without a drop list. I hope you find a place where you fit like a hand in a glove. |
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Post by Will on Feb 22, 2015 14:09:15 GMT -8
This sucks. I hope you feel closure in whatever you do in life in the future. As you yourself mentioned; A relationship should not be 95%/5% and the same way you expect people to help out of the goodness of their heart - you ought to have the same expectations for yourself in that relationship. I'll have to admit one thing in our, what I (at least), considered a relationship: I might have been nagging at times, expecting you to, as you put it: "Constantly reminded about it until I pay it back in full". Though, the only reason I nagged you about Zakum was that I saw, in my opinion, a very hypocritical behavior on your part - and as a friend- I was willing to address it TO you, rather than to say this behind your back. Cause (other than the 50/50, giving and receiving parts of a friendship) a friend also tells another friend what they personally think said friend is doing wrong - constructive criticism. Now, maybe I did a bad job at the "constructive" part, but when it comes to the 95%/5%, constantly reminding you and you trying to help out others without anybody helping you; Here's what I have to say: Me: Helped you get your ZHelm, gave you ACB, offered you a 10Att WG and maybe a lvl 43 Maple sword (which you both declined), offered you leech (this, of course, is very easy to not see as "helping out" since the concept of leeching is subjective to each individual- but in my book it's still a "helping hand" ). Either way; You declined the leech offer as well. Jaeger: Helped out with your Zhelm, gave you 5 x2 EXP cards and was a ( very) pivotal key (together with Grace) in the ZRun you had organized (Granted; A lot of people flaked - but that doesn't take away from what Jaeger did). Tone: Also helped out with your Zhelm and planned on giving you ACB when he found it in his inventory, until he realized I had already given the one I found to you. Now, to me, these seem like some very very generous gestures and I'm pretty sure the only thing the three of us ever asked of you was to do something you earlier complained about didn't occur enough; Helping newer players get ZHelms. You declined me every single time I invited you to join a ZRun with a short and simple "nty". It's understandable that you might not like ZRuns in this server and we're not here to force you to go Zak just cause we helped you out, but did it ever occur to you that maybe we might have felt the exact same way at some point and still helped out the lower leveled people get their helms, be cause we do it, and let me quote you: "out of the goodness of someone's (our) heart(s)"? At one point you even honestly told me that you probably would be Zaking had I not given you the ACB skill book. So you saying " I'm the one giving, not the one taking" is nothing short of complete bs. I'm not here to bash your farewell thread. I genuinely enjoyed a lot of my online time with you. But sometimes you just have to take a good look at yourself in the mirror before blaming the other person in the relationship. I wish you the absolute best. First off, as I have stated online, Paladins are horrible classes for fighting Zakum. So I wouldn't be any help at all against Zakum at all, especially considering the DPS of you, Jaeger, Tone, and others. You don't need my assistance. So is it really fair to say that by joining you, I'd really be making a sizable impact? Furthermore, every time you brought up Zakum, you never mentioned that it'd be for helping newer players, nor did you ever mention who it would be for that matter, until after you began--I was under the impression that you were simply doing it for the fun. I never complained that you guys "never helped newer players get ZHelms" as you put it; in an earlier, thread I simply made an observation, as I have stated numerous times. This was incidentally after a conversation Shassia and I had in which she was irked at you guys doing Zak runs behind her back. So rage at her, not me. I made a simple observation (which you blew way out of proportion) and attempted to organize that 1 run I did in an effort to help out some of my friends, and I got all kinds of shit from you for it. And I still continue to get shit for it. Seems that when I try to do something nice, I get reprimanded for it or disadvantaged because of it. I'm sick and tired of this pattern. I'm thankful for what you did, but you got to a point where you were constantly berating me over something stupid in the past which I didn't even do. I'm thankful for what Jaeger did as well, and I even offered to give him back the cards multiple times, to which he declined. I'll also say that for every nice thing that's been done to me, there are at least 10 people who seem to want to mooch off of me. And there are at least 30 others who are completely indifferent and apathetic to everyone but themselves. And this server has its share of bad eggs--rude douches, petty and whiny guild leaders, a guy whom I'm 90% sure hacks and gets away with it. That aside, I still don't feel at home in this server. I don't fit in. I never will, no matter where I go, and Noble only serves to reinforce this realization. BooBoo, I think you have this all wrong. I DON'T THINK WE CARE HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU DO. Yes, would it be nice if we killed bosses like zak a few minutes faster? YES. If we don't kill zak a few minutes faster, WHO CARES. Yes, none of the higher levels need full teams for bossing and could probably do it solo, but (I can't talk for the rest of the server) I invited you to spend some QUALITY time so I could get to know you better and have a little chat. And who are these people talking shet about you for trying to help da noobs. Lemme at them f5. And fakk ninni, she's a piece of shet anyways (always talking shet about everyone/ even herself), but that's ninni's personality and even she knows shes an asshole aaaaaaaalllllllllllll the time. When I offer help to players, I don't expect them to pay them back (because I assume everyones an asshole like me). NOW THE MOOCHING PART. It's not like they can mooch off of you because they're doing some voodoo hocus pocus shet that forces you to help them. You help them outta your own free will. If they talk shet about you because you decide to stop helping, who fakking cares they're a bunch of leeches in the first place and probably can't get through by themselves. And lol I consider myself to be one of the indifferent ones f5. There's nice people and shetty people in every community. You cannot escape from this. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TO SEPERATE YOURSELVES FROM THE SHETHEADS AND FIND THE NICER PEOPLE. It's a shame that you're leaving. We had a bad start, but I liked you. Hope you do well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 14:17:08 GMT -8
First off: The Zak run itself has nothing to do with the amount of damage you do. It's mostly about the experience of the run (and the experience as in EXP to some) and helping each other- and others- get items that they need. If you so promptly imply that you wouldn't be making a "sizable impact" (which really no one cares about); How come you wanted to do ZRuns prior to obtaining your ACB anyways? Even though you would clearly be doing less damage without it than with it. Second off: We aren't obliged to give you a list of people who needs something from the run. You're either in to help regardless - or you're out. And in my (as you put it) "observation"; You were always out whenever you didn't need anything. Third off: The same way you take offense to not being treated the way you think you deserve to be treated (i.e the 95/5) is the same reason I, as you put it, "blew (it) way out of proportion". Call it whatever you want, but I take pride in knowing I've helped someone. Seeing them happy makes me happy. And for someone to discredit me after an (imo poor) observation really did offend me. Nonetheless: I do apologize for nagging you about it. Fourth off: Not entirely sure Jaeger and I (specifically) were included in the what Shassia said seeing as I'm pretty certain we hadn't done Zruns in quite a while before the whole discussion surfaced. Regardless; Something that Shassia did that you never did, though, was giving us all a chance. She has since then joined a fair amount of ZRuns and even though she's a Paladin (like you) that might not be the strongest DSP wise - I'm 100% sure she's enjoying every Zak moment she's experiencing in this server seeing as she's currently doing ZRuns without needing any drops whatsoever. She's doing it both for the fun of it and to help us- and others- obtain items that we're looking for. You never gave us this opportunity. You decided to come to a conclusion off of that 1 unorganized run that included 20+ people- some high, some low level- without a drop list. I hope you find a place where you fit like a hand in a glove. Point #1: If it's about helping others the the items they need, and if I barely make any impact, then I'm barely helping. I'll also point out that I did still want to organize a Zakum run even after you gave me my Advanced Charge. Don't ascribe selfish motive to whatever I do. And FYI, Advanced Charge doesn't help against Zakum. It's more of a grinding thing. Point #2: I know you aren't obligated to provide a list of people. However, if you don't mention that the Zakum run is being held for the purpose of helping others, then I'm less inclined to join in, because, as can be reasonably assumed, my initial impression is that you were simply doing it for fun and experience. And I hate fighting bosses. I find them to be completely anti-fun. So the only reason I'd fight Zakum is either for myself or for a friend who needs the drops. Point #3: Fair enough. It was a flawed observation based off of a limited pool of data, although I would still say that based off of the given data I had, it was not an unreasonable observation, per se. Point #4: I remember training in Temple of Time when you said in guild chat that you and Tone had just completed a Zakum run. Later, in buddy chat or something (I can't remember), Shassia asked about if people ever fought Zakum and whatnot. So I responded that you guys had done one earlier. That's what irked her, and I specifically recall her expressing frustration at "people running secret zruns" without helping the newer players who do not have Zakum Helms. As for enjoyment of bosses, I'll reiterate that I hate fighting bosses and I see them as a means to an end, rather than an end to themselves. Others are not the same way, and that's fine, but don't expect me to ascribe the same metaphysics of value as you do, because in relation to fun, it's subjective. To me, it just seems like she's now part of your "inner circle" now while I remain an outsider, simply because of the fact that she ascribes to these same metaphysics of value as you do. And no, I came to my conclusion after seeing three different Zakum runs. 2/3 were chaotic and unorganized, yet more efficient than the one I tried to organize. Again, perhaps not the largest pool of data, but judging by it, coupled with firsthand accounts of what Ace has told me about trying to organize a Horntail fight, I'm led to believe that the organization of boss fights here is less than preferable, at least to me. |
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Post by Hobo on Feb 22, 2015 14:25:56 GMT -8
lol lets just be say all this sht without writing a god dam book, to slap u with the truth 1st vyse quit being a fkn whiner theyve offered u w/e plenty of times u DECLINED it all, as for not taking u anywhere why else would they if u just decline everything its only normal they think ull decline again ya know< duh  2nd this post gave me cancer  3rd as for the zruns they dont care about ur dmg they were taking u as a friend no one really cares as long as u finish the boss off.. im one of the sht heads, mind u  i never really got to know u but u seem smart & mature an all that was the case anyways till all this happened & has been for awhile, kinda childish of u, btw try not rant on people for them leeching & sht, if u wanna do everything on ur own thats cool but dont come like a wrecking ball saying ur not included, no one gives u shet, im in a bad mood so dm the swears & how sloppy this is. idk u much but seeing alot of things u did pls quit being a big hypocrite cuz fk man srsly thought we got over this when u potty trained like  |
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Post by Jaeger on Feb 22, 2015 15:00:35 GMT -8
See ya around Vyse! Hope life treats ya well
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Post by Often on Feb 22, 2015 15:00:51 GMT -8
Point #1: If it's about helping others the the items they need, and if I barely make any impact, then I'm barely helping. I'll also point out that I did still want to organize a Zakum run even after you gave me my Advanced Charge. Don't ascribe selfish motive to whatever I do. And FYI, Advanced Charge doesn't help against Zakum. It's more of a grinding thing. Point #2: I know you aren't obligated to provide a list of people. However, if you don't mention that the Zakum run is being held for the purpose of helping others, then I'm less inclined to join in, because, as can be reasonably assumed, my initial impression is that you were simply doing it for fun and experience. And I hate fighting bosses. I find them to be completely anti-fun. So the only reason I'd fight Zakum is either for myself or for a friend who needs the drops. Point #3: Fair enough. It was a flawed observation based off of a limited pool of data, although I would still say that based off of the given data I had, it was not an unreasonable observation, per se. Point #4: I remember training in Temple of Time when you said in guild chat that you and Tone had just completed a Zakum run. Later, in buddy chat or something (I can't remember), Shassia asked about if people ever fought Zakum and whatnot. So I responded that you guys had done one earlier. That's what irked her, and I specifically recall her expressing frustration at "people running secret zruns" without helping the newer players who do not have Zakum Helms. As for enjoyment of bosses, I'll reiterate that I hate fighting bosses and I see them as a means to an end, rather than an end to themselves. Others are not the same way, and that's fine, but don't expect me to ascribe the same metaphysics of value as you do, because in relation to fun, it's subjective. To me, it just seems like she's now part of your "inner circle" now while I remain an outsider, simply because of the fact that she ascribes to these same metaphysics of value as you do. And no, I came to my conclusion after seeing three different Zakum runs. 2/3 were chaotic and unorganized, yet more efficient than the one I tried to organize. Again, perhaps not the largest pool of data, but judging by it, coupled with firsthand accounts of what Ace has told me about trying to organize a Horntail fight, I'm led to believe that the organization of boss fights here is less than preferable, at least to me. #1 and #2: You keep talking about "others" but you're still not including the people (your friends?) that are actually killing zak. How about helping them? And, again; Everything isn't about the damage, it's about doing something together - As players in a community. How are you complaining about the community when you, to me, did very little to actually integrate in it? Doing things alone or with 1-2 other people is completely fine, but don't blame it on others when you're declining invitations to do stuff with a larger pool of players. You saying that you still wanted to do ZRuns even after acquiring ACB isn't a valid argument seeing as you didn't participate in any (except maybe that 1 run you organized) runs whenever you had ACB. #4 Might have of been a rarity. It was probably a run with Hobo, Puffin and Tone that I was invited to. Hobo can't do ZRuns with many people in the map since it causes her to DC. The run might as well have been spontaneous (for example: Zarm grinding turning into a full run, leading to them/us not asking if anybody needs anything from Zak). You saying that you hate bossing while observing and complaining about people rarely helping others get stuff from ZRuns is just you contradicting yourself. How can you expect someone to do something you don't initially want to do? What if the boss killers also necessarily don't enjoy bossing, but do it cause they have to (whether it's for the exp, achievements, drops for themselves or drops for others etc)? You using personal attack such as "your inner circle" really doesn't help this whatsoever. I do not have an inner circle. I might have friends I enjoy being around with more than others - which leads to us doing things together- but I have never excluded someone from something. There have been multiple times during BPQ where we've accidentally made a team of 7 and I take it upon myself to pass on the run to let them have their fun. Whenever I do organize a ZRun I ask anyone in my BL, Guild and Alliance if they want to come and anybody is welcomed. Me organizing runs also usually leads to me having to handle the drop list and I always put my self as the last drop-picker. Always. It has nothing to do with what you like to call an "inner circle". |
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Post by Will on Feb 22, 2015 15:11:35 GMT -8
I always put my self as the last drop-picker. Always. AND SOME OF US DON'T EVEN PICK UP STUFF. COUGH COUGH COUGH ME COUGH |
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Post by Hobo on Feb 22, 2015 15:15:13 GMT -8
lol idk why u guys gettin mad @ our zruns when its really none of u guy's business but ours (all the high lvls), also we (me & will sometimes tone) only go on zruns if we help people not gonna do one whole run for fun since its not worth the time really mind u, & as nini said i cant do full raids sadly |
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Post by Ace on Feb 22, 2015 15:42:24 GMT -8
Enough.
P.S.: Vyse could you please message me privately with information about this: a guy whom I'm 90% sure hacks and gets away with it. |
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Post by Lalaloopsy on Feb 23, 2015 1:37:26 GMT -8
take care. sad news to hear upon returning from my road trip. Ganbatte, friend.
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3rd as for the zruns they dont care about ur dmg they were taking u as a friend no one really cares as long as u finish the boss off.. im one of the sht heads, mind u 
i never really got to know u but u seem smart & mature an all that was the case anyways till all this happened & has been for awhile, kinda childish of u, btw try not rant on people for them leeching & sht, if u wanna do everything on ur own thats cool but dont come like a wrecking ball saying ur not included, no one gives u shet, im in a bad mood so dm the swears & how sloppy this is. idk u much but seeing alot of things u did pls quit being a big hypocrite 
