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Post by Face on Mar 25, 2015 14:23:47 GMT -8
Character Name: Derpalicious
What you last did: Trained with Ursus at wolf spiders
Which GM banned you: Ace
Explanation of appeal:
To Ace - I don’t know if you’ll see this message, and if you do, you might just ignore me as you’ve done in the past. But I think I still deserve the right to speak for myself about this whole hacking situation. Apparently everyone thinks that I (Derpalicious) am the one who hacked the server, but I’m telling you, not as a player, but as a person, that I did not hack your server. To be honest, I don’t even know the first thing about hacking. When I joined Noble about a month ago, I knew I finally found a server I enjoyed and would be willing to stay with for the long term. Yes, I was the #1 ranked player on NightSoulMS before Noble, but honestly that server has gone to shit over the past several months. It’s not fun there anymore. Hell, this is where the real irony comes in. I’m not even a player on NightSoulMS anymore, because I’ve been banned. And get this - I was banned for advertising. And guess which server I advertised? NobleStory. I was trying to get people to join your own freaking server, and now I’m banned for it, which brings me to my next point.
Why was I banned from Noble in the first place? I heard I was accused of packet editing/hacking, but this is absolutely not true. Do you even have solid evidence on this, or was I just banned on speculation? I’ve been trying to get ahold of you for weeks now via other players, Skype, and other GMs (ShdwSlyr606), but I feel like you’re intentionally ignoring me. Personally, I think you’re avoiding me because we both know there’s no solid evidence that I’ve done anything wrong. So if you see this, I would really appreciate it if you could show me what this “proof" is so that I can explain my innocence. ShdwSlyr606 showed me a screenshot of me talking to RIDEMYPIANUS at Ghost Ship 2 saying something along the lines of “2 eqs, 1 kill, hacks.” If this was the “proof”, I already explained to ShdwSlyr606 that the meaning of this was referring to how RIDEMYPIANUS saw 2 equips drop from what looked like 1 Slimy, and sarcastically called out “hacks”. Shdwsly606 even admitted that he’s seen that happen to himself. Back to my point, what I’m trying to tell you is that I really haven’t done anything wrong on this server (besides the voting incident awhile back, but that was resolved). Going back to the server being hacked, the night before I was just training with Ursus at Wolf Spiders. We both went to bed, and when we woke up, we found out that the server was hacked. The next morning I went onto the forums to see what was up, left for a few minutes and when I came back I was banned from the forums. Then, one by one, all of my other friends from NightSoulMS were getting banned from the forums too.
I sincerely enjoyed playing on the server, and wouldn’t do anything to harm it. As I mentioned before, I’ve even tried to help out by advertising Noble on NightSoulMS, which I’m now banned from. I can’t force you to unban me if that’s what staff really wants, but I really had to get this off my chest. If you choose to unban me, great. But it’s really messed up that I’m unjustifiably banned, unable to play with all of the friends I joined the server with in the first place.
I don’t care if I’m unbanned from this server, I just wanted to set the story straight.
Thanks.
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Post by napkin on Mar 25, 2015 15:53:44 GMT -8
PREACH
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Post by Erwin on Mar 25, 2015 17:13:18 GMT -8
Yes, you're right that there's no "conclusive" proof that you ever hacked or packet-edited. There's also no conclusive proof that we even exist in "reality" either, yet it's a maxim which we for the most part take for granted.
To start with, the very fact that you had multiple 4th job characters on NSMS, despite it undergoing a wipe some two years ago, raised some eyebrows for me. Granted, it's possible that you're simply very persistent, so I thought nothing of it for awhile. But then I heard stories from Tellurius, Diana, Kamina, Locke, Gallows, and other NSMSers whom I met, and some people on this server whom I won't name due to confidentiality. From what I understand, you had a seemingly infinite supply of onyx apples, naricains, or what have you, whenever you needed them. Your original group of friends who started NSMS with you were all hackers and all got banned except for you. You could solo horntail and did so on a regular basis. You seemed to go through great lengths to conceal your actual equipment (you're shitting me if you think any level 172 person would go around and use Maplemas lights to fight things). Multiple people have told me about your perfectly scrolled Stonetooth and Bathrobe, and multiple people claim that you've hacked in the past. On a 1x server with no white scrolls. That's suspicious, to me at least. Furthermore, there's the observation that every time a Physical Fitness event happened--either here or on NSMS--you seemed to completely disregard necki damage and never got knocked back. Based on the fact that the neckis are completely controlled by RNG, I'm led to wonder how you get that lucky every time. "Rumors" of someone hacking don't just arise spontaneously. Either everyone believed this for a damn good reason, or everyone hates you enough to the point that they're all willing to engender falsehoods about you. Guess which one I think is more likely?
So no, there's no conclusive evidence that I can see; you're right in that regard. But it sure as hell makes me wonder.
You want to know what I think? I think that you're simply smart enough to convincingly put on the veneer that you're a legitimate player. Tellurius agrees with me on this.
And that aside, everything I know about you and how you've behaved leads me to believe that even if you're not a hacker (which is unlikely), then you're an unscrupulous cheapskate at best. On NSMS, you charged people either $50 or 75m for a zhelm, something which you could obtain easily and could be giving out for free; by contrast, many people here are willing to help out newer players obtain zhelms with no strings attached. And doing so here is an even more convoluted process because what do you know, the people who coded this game are competent enough to make untradeable items untradeable, unlike Yoh (whom I still think is an idiot of the highest degree). For another thing, you charged people 500k for refining dark crystals, another service which you could do absolutely for free. Sure, 500k isn't much, but it's like adding insult to injury when someone gets to level 70 and finds out what's necessary simply to get that job advancement which was so much easier to get back on GMS. For a third thing, I remember you guild-hopping back during that christmas event just so you could get that reward, instead of coordinating your own guild christmas tree screenshot. None of these things are against the rules, sure, but is it cheap as fuck? You bet it is.
If you had acted like a friend to me, then perhaps I'd feel more impelled to make a case for you. You see, when I first joined NSMS, I had some admiration for you: "wow," I thought, "someone to make it to 172 on a 1x server!" But you never really interacted with me. You never helped me with anything, despite you having everything you could want on that server. You instead opted to be an indifferent, removed figure of the server. By contrast, I met some people who really helped me out in that game--Tellurius, Diana, Locke, virtually all of the newer players I befriended, Marz (despite him being somewhat eccentric at times, he's a good guy who tried his hardest), Sorter (despite not knowing me for long, he'd at least stick around and chat about things), and, above all, Cedric. I can't understate the many hours he spent with me, multiclienting simply to allow me to pleasure of PQing, giving me free stuff to help me out on my journey, and simply chatting with me. He's only 87 on that server, and yet he has the biggest heart of anyone I've met on any private server. Any. There were some genuinely good people I met back on NSMS. You were not one of them.
And I honestly couldn't care less if you did come back, because I know that you wouldn't contribute to this server in any way, shape or form. Even if you're not a hacker (which I doubt), you still haven't done anything to ingratiate yourself with anyone else here, not the least of which is me. You've helped no one apart from your own close group of friends. You haven't contributed anything to the forums and even given off the slightest impression that you even care an iota about anyone aside from yourself (and Alice to an extent). You haven't done anything.
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Post by Jaeger on Mar 25, 2015 17:37:05 GMT -8
I'm not trying to defend him or anything, but how does what he did or didn't do on a different server have anything to do with what he did or didn't do here?
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Post by Often on Mar 25, 2015 17:40:42 GMT -8
I'm going to quote some of what Jaeger said: " I'm not trying to defend him or anything, but" how does this have anything to do with him getting banned or being a hacker? And that aside, everything I know about you and how you've behaved leads me to believe that even if you're not a hacker (which is unlikely), then you're an unscrupulous cheapskate at best. On NSMS, you charged people either $50 or 75m for a zhelm, something which you could obtain easily and could be giving out for free; by contrast, many people here are willing to help out newer players obtain zhelms with no strings attached. And doing so here is an even more convoluted process because what do you know, the people who coded this game are competent enough to make untradeable items untradeable, unlike Yoh (whom I still think is an idiot of the highest degree). For another thing, you charged people 500k for refining dark crystals, another service which you could do absolutely for free. Sure, 500k isn't much, but it's like adding insult to injury when someone gets to level 70 and finds out what's necessary simply to get that job advancement which was so much easier to get back on GMS. For a third thing, I remember you guild-hopping back during that christmas event just so you could get that reward, instead of coordinating your own guild christmas tree screenshot. None of these things are against the rules, sure, but is it cheap as fuck? You bet it is. If you had acted like a friend to me, then perhaps I'd feel more impelled to make a case for you. You see, when I first joined NSMS, I had some admiration for you: "wow," I thought, "someone to make it to 172 on a 1x server!" But you never really interacted with me. You never helped me with anything, despite you having everything you could want on that server. You instead opted to be an indifferent, removed figure of the server. By contrast, I met some people who really helped me out in that game--Tellurius, Diana, Locke, virtually all of the newer players I befriended, Marz (despite him being somewhat eccentric at times, he's a good guy who tried his hardest), Sorter (despite not knowing me for long, he'd at least stick around and chat about things), and, above all, Cedric. I can't understate the many hours he spent with me, multiclienting simply to allow me to pleasure of PQing, giving me free stuff to help me out on my journey, and simply chatting with me. He's only 87 on that server, and yet he has the biggest heart of anyone I've met on any private server. Any. There were some genuinely good people I met back on NSMS. You were not one of them. |
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Post by Erwin on Mar 25, 2015 17:51:16 GMT -8
Simply put, because old habits die hard.
And because, like I said, there's that thing during the physical fitness which, again, raised some eyebrows.
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Post by alice on Mar 25, 2015 18:12:25 GMT -8
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Post by Will on Mar 25, 2015 18:36:55 GMT -8
What people do on other servers is their business (coming from a person that got banned in 2 days from hacking on some other random .62 server) o.ob
huuuuuuuuuuuuuuue~
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Post by nodrog on Mar 25, 2015 18:59:09 GMT -8
tldr: Yes, you're right that there's no "conclusive" proof that you ever hacked or packet-edited. There's also no conclusive proof that we even exist in "reality" either, yet it's a maxim which we for the most part take for granted.
Rest is irrelevant.
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Post by alice on Mar 25, 2015 19:00:04 GMT -8
Before I start, I would like to say that you have a lot of shit to say about someone you barely know, Jared. lol
I've asked questions and gathered information... so here it is ->
"you had multiple 4th job characters on NSMS"
He had 2.
"Tellurius, Diana, Kamina, Locke, Gallows... I think that you're simply smart enough to convincingly put on the veneer that you're a legitimate player. Tellurius agrees with me on this."
Majority of those people don't like Ryan and Tell is probably one of the main people that dislike him. Of course nothing good will be said.
"From what I understand, you had a seemingly infinite supply of onyx apples, naricains, or what have you, whenever you needed them."
He did not have an infinite supply. Also, Naricain Elixers haven't been available on NSMS for a while now. They were discontinued even before I joined.
"You could solo horntail and did so on a regular basis."
Only the GMs would understand this, but HT was soloed on NSMS with the glitch Gordon was banned for. Not hacking or packet editing, but a glitch. He didn't use the glitch here because we actually liked this server. He didn't want any reason to get banned. haha Looks like he got banned anyways.
"You seemed to go through great lengths to conceal your actual equipment (you're shitting me if you think any level 172 person would go around and use Maplemas lights to fight things)."
What? I hope you're aware that Maplemas Lights give speed (and they look nice if I do say so myself).
"Multiple people have told me about your perfectly scrolled Stonetooth and Bathrobe."
He looked for scrolls at Cloud Foxes and went through multiple Stonetooth swords. He even had his failed attempts saved up in his inventory at one point. Also, he never even used a bathrobe.. Bathrobes in NSMS didn't even have slots since Yoh took them out. lol
"Furthermore, there's the observation that every time a Physical Fitness event happened--either here or on NSMS--you seemed to completely disregard necki damage and never got knocked back."
This goes for all severs: Power Guard works in JQs. (:
"On NSMS, you charged people either $50 or 75m for a zhelm"
Not going to lie, it was cheap. However, a person is in charge of their own money. If they want to pay $50 for something then go right ahead. The whole $50 thing was said as a joke at first.. then someone actually was willing to pay. lol
"I remember you guild-hopping back during that christmas event just so you could get that reward, instead of coordinating your own guild christmas tree screenshot. None of these things are against the rules, sure, but is it cheap as fuck? You bet it is."
Here you go again. Commenting without knowing. I asked him to join my guild so we could build the Christmas tree together.
"You never helped me with anything, despite you having everything you could want on that server."
Jared, you've always helped me and you've always been nice. However, I don't think anyone is entitled to help another. If it were the case where the rich and wealthy helped the poor... the world would be a much different place.
NOW, the only relevant thing to his actual banning:
"So no, there's no conclusive evidence that I can see; you're right in that regard."
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Post by Face on Mar 25, 2015 19:05:57 GMT -8
Did I post my appeal on the wrong server?? I thought this was NobleStory??? {Spoiler} Yes, you're right that there's no "conclusive" proof that you ever hacked or packet-edited. There's also no conclusive proof that we even exist in "reality" either, yet it's a maxim which we for the most part take for granted. To start with, the very fact that you had multiple 4th job characters on NSMS, despite it undergoing a wipe some two years ago, raised some eyebrows for me. Granted, it's possible that you're simply very persistent, so I thought nothing of it for awhile. But then I heard stories from Tellurius, Diana, Kamina, Locke, Gallows, and other NSMSers whom I met, and some people on this server whom I won't name due to confidentiality. From what I understand, you had a seemingly infinite supply of onyx apples, naricains, or what have you, whenever you needed them. Your original group of friends who started NSMS with you were all hackers and all got banned except for you. You could solo horntail and did so on a regular basis. You seemed to go through great lengths to conceal your actual equipment (you're shitting me if you think any level 172 person would go around and use Maplemas lights to fight things). Multiple people have told me about your perfectly scrolled Stonetooth and Bathrobe, and multiple people claim that you've hacked in the past. On a 1x server with no white scrolls. That's suspicious, to me at least. Furthermore, there's the observation that every time a Physical Fitness event happened--either here or on NSMS--you seemed to completely disregard necki damage and never got knocked back. Based on the fact that the neckis are completely controlled by RNG, I'm led to wonder how you get that lucky every time. "Rumors" of someone hacking don't just arise spontaneously. Either everyone believed this for a damn good reason, or everyone hates you enough to the point that they're all willing to engender falsehoods about you. Guess which one I think is more likely? So no, there's no conclusive evidence that I can see; you're right in that regard. But it sure as hell makes me wonder. You want to know what I think? I think that you're simply smart enough to convincingly put on the veneer that you're a legitimate player. Tellurius agrees with me on this. And that aside, everything I know about you and how you've behaved leads me to believe that even if you're not a hacker (which is unlikely), then you're an unscrupulous cheapskate at best. On NSMS, you charged people either $50 or 75m for a zhelm, something which you could obtain easily and could be giving out for free; by contrast, many people here are willing to help out newer players obtain zhelms with no strings attached. And doing so here is an even more convoluted process because what do you know, the people who coded this game are competent enough to make untradeable items untradeable, unlike Yoh (whom I still think is an idiot of the highest degree). For another thing, you charged people 500k for refining dark crystals, another service which you could do absolutely for free. Sure, 500k isn't much, but it's like adding insult to injury when someone gets to level 70 and finds out what's necessary simply to get that job advancement which was so much easier to get back on GMS. For a third thing, I remember you guild-hopping back during that christmas event just so you could get that reward, instead of coordinating your own guild christmas tree screenshot. None of these things are against the rules, sure, but is it cheap as fuck? You bet it is. If you had acted like a friend to me, then perhaps I'd feel more impelled to make a case for you. You see, when I first joined NSMS, I had some admiration for you: "wow," I thought, "someone to make it to 172 on a 1x server!" But you never really interacted with me. You never helped me with anything, despite you having everything you could want on that server. You instead opted to be an indifferent, removed figure of the server. By contrast, I met some people who really helped me out in that game--Tellurius, Diana, Locke, virtually all of the newer players I befriended, Marz (despite him being somewhat eccentric at times, he's a good guy who tried his hardest), Sorter (despite not knowing me for long, he'd at least stick around and chat about things), and, above all, Cedric. I can't understate the many hours he spent with me, multiclienting simply to allow me to pleasure of PQing, giving me free stuff to help me out on my journey, and simply chatting with me. He's only 87 on that server, and yet he has the biggest heart of anyone I've met on any private server. Any. There were some genuinely good people I met back on NSMS. You were not one of them. And I honestly couldn't care less if you did come back, because I know that you wouldn't contribute to this server in any way, shape or form. Even if you're not a hacker (which I doubt), you still haven't done anything to ingratiate yourself with anyone else here, not the least of which is me. You've helped no one apart from your own close group of friends. You haven't contributed anything to the forums and even given off the slightest impression that you even care an iota about anyone aside from yourself (and Alice to an extent). You haven't done anything. |
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Post by Erwin on Mar 25, 2015 19:50:07 GMT -8
How predictable. Maybe I'd take your statements without a grain of salt (pun intended) if you weren't personally invested in this, or if you hadn't purposefully broken the multiple account rule even after Ace told you about the situation. That's what Ace told me anyway, and I have no reason to think Ace would lie about this. He had 2. Yes, and this is a lot more difficult to pull off than it might sound. Considering that it takes, on average three weeks-1 month for a fast grinder playing 6+ hours each day to reach 120 on a 4x server...Majority of those people don't like Ryan and Tell is probably one of the main people that dislike him. Of course nothing good will be said. I never got the impression that any of these people had any biases. Tellurius was always there to talk objectively about any given issue, and if Derp did anything directly to rub him the wrong way, he never said anything about it. Which would be odd if they really had a personal vendetta against him. The more likely explanation is that they're calling him out on something which he actually did. Again, rumors don't simply arise from nothing. Furthermore, all of the people whom I listed demonstrated themselves to be of greater moral character than Derp here (or you for that matter), and I'm more inclined to side with them on an account like this.He did not have an infinite supply. Also, Naricain Elixers haven't been available on NSMS for a while now. They were discontinued even before I joined. You said nothing about Onyx Apples or Gelts. So I guess if one portion of one thing that I said was inaccurate, my entire statement eh? Flawless logic.Only the GMs would understand this, but HT was soloed on NSMS with the glitch Gordon was banned for. Not hacking or packet editing, but a glitch. He didn't use the glitch here because we actually liked this server. He didn't want any reason to get banned. haha Looks like he got banned anyways. First of all, Gordon's not banned on NSMS at the moment, so I'm led to question your judgment in this. On the other hand, I'm not going to question Ace's or Adam's judgment in this. They know more about what Derp's been doing than I do, and if they banned him, it's for a damn good reason. The GMs here never ban people without just cause. What? I hope you're aware that Maplemas Lights give speed (and they look nice if I do say so myself). Mounts. He looked for scrolls at Cloud Foxes and went through multiple Stonetooth swords. He even had his failed attempts saved up in his inventory at one point. Also, he never even used a bathrobe.. Bathrobes in NSMS didn't even have slots since Yoh took them out. lol Bathrobe or Sauna--same thing for all intents and purposes. And are you really expecting me to believe that you could so easily obtain a perfect weapon simply by farming a good degree with no white scrolls? No one even on GMS was able to do that. BSUCLA needed white scrolls to perfect his. I'm hesitant to believe that anyone would be able to get significantly luckier than that. Statistically, the chance of 7 30%s working on a row is 0.022%. You've got to be shitting me.This goes for all severs (sic): Power Guard works in JQs. (: Power guard only reduces damage by 40%. This should not mitigate the knockback effect; 60% of 1 damage is still 0.6, which is rounded up to a 1. So he'd still be getting knocked back. Only power stance should be able to negate the knockback, and that skill doesn't work in JQs. Unless of course you use some sort of hack or glitch and thereby subvert the rules. This is the most damning piece of evidence against him as far as this server goes and you've done nothing to refute it.Not going to lie, it was cheap. However, a person is in charge of their own money. If they want to pay $50 for something then go right ahead. The whole $50 thing was said as a joke at first.. then someone actually was willing to pay. lol Point still stands that the people I've seen on this server are generally above charging things like that out of greed. Here you go again. Commenting without knowing. I asked him to join my guild so we could build the Christmas tree together. Sure, but like I've said earlier, I'm led to distrust your account of things for a variety of reasons as well. I can only tell what I observe since I'm the impartial 3rd party. Jared, you've always helped me and you've always been nice. However, I don't think anyone is entitled to help another. If it were the case where the rich and wealthy helped the poor... the world would be a much different place. No, nobody is ever obligated to help one another ("obligated" is the word you were looking for), but in my book, anyone who looks past himself and his own myopic sight of the world is above someone like Derp who only cares about himself and contributes nothing to a community but strife and doubt.As expected, none of the statements hold any water. And also as expected, more than one person came to his defense. Apparently, most people reading my statements don't have the inductive reasoning skills to be able to make this connection, so I guess I have to spell it out. People might be wondering what his moral character has to do with hacking, but the point that I'm primarily trying to get across is that it's likely that Derp is simply good at hiding any conclusive evidence of hacking (aside from the whole JQ thing), and aspects of his character which I have observed suggest an unscrupulous, shady character. |
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Post by GeishaChan on Mar 25, 2015 20:01:15 GMT -8
Well, things got heated quickly.
Derpalicious, verifiable proof has been collected of packet-editing. The investigation had been going on for at least three weeks [bad memory, but it could have been longer], and you/the other players were NOT banned for packet editing/being aware that packet editing was occurring during that time until verifiable proof could be obtained.
I will discuss this more when I have more time/ when it is not uber late.
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Post by Often on Mar 25, 2015 20:07:54 GMT -8
As expected, none of the statements hold any water. And also as expected, more than one person came to his defense. Apparently, most people reading my statements don't have the inductive reasoning skills to be able to make this connection, so I guess I have to spell it out. People might be wondering what his moral character has to do with hacking, but the point that I'm primarily trying to get across is that it's likely that Derp is simply good at hiding any conclusive evidence of hacking (aside from the whole JQ thing), and aspects of his character which I have observed suggest an unscrupulous, shady character. GG Erwin it didn't take you long to pull the "More than one person came to his defense" card. We are't defending him, matter of fact I think he's involved. We're just saying that it's YOUR statements that don't hold any water. You might disagree, but I always give people the benefit of the doubt that they're innocent until proven guilty. |
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Post by Erwin on Mar 25, 2015 20:12:27 GMT -8
Nodrog and Alice both came to his defense. Plus, four people "liked" his original post. So I don't think I'm incorrect in saying that more than one person came to his defense. Lol.
With this in mind, I don't see how any of my points are irrelevant. And what do you know, my suspicions were confirmed by an actual GM.
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Post by Often on Mar 25, 2015 20:18:08 GMT -8
Come on, that still doesn't give you any basis Erwin. My opinions and accusations towards someone aren't justified just because I think their character is shady or because of their previous actions. In that case one could make up things from left and right about someone just cause you have a personal vendetta against them. Now, if your "suspicions" were indeed confirmed then that's great. But since he initiated his defense he's , currently, still innocent until everything is revealed. |
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Post by Erwin on Mar 25, 2015 20:23:21 GMT -8
On the contrary, I look at the justice system (at least here in America) and I think my position is very much reasonable. I'm using an extreme example here, but consider a pedophile who has been convicted multiple times of raping minors and is consequently put into prison. Do we let him out and let him travel to another continent? No, because cases like this are predicated on that basic principle of "old habits die hard" which I mentioned earlier. We keep him in prison for fear that he if we release him, he might rape more children.
In a nutshell, that's why what he's done in the past matters. No, it's not enough to get him banned, I get that. But it's enough to raise suspicion of similar such activity, and that's precisely why I brought up the JQ incident. And you're wrong to state that "so far, he's innocent" because, well, read Geisha's statement.
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Post by alice on Mar 25, 2015 20:24:03 GMT -8
"..or if you hadn't purposefully broken the multiple account rule even after Ace told you about the situation."
I did not break the multiple account rule a second time. I have no clue what you're talking about. After the voting abuse situation was settled, I did make a second account. However, this time I PM'd a GM about it. From my understanding, that's all I had to do.
"Yes, and this is a lot more difficult to pull off than it might sound. Considering that it takes, on average three weeks-1 month for a fast grinder playing 6+ hours each day to reach 120 on a 4x server..."
He's been on NSMS for like 3 years. Also, you do realize Ryan isn't the only one with two 4th job characters right? There are like 3 or 4 others with more than one 4th job character on NSMS. In fact, one of those people is a GM.
"I never got the impression that any of these people had any biases. "
I doubt this. In fact, I know at least 2 of the people you listed don't like Ryan because they have told me themselves. Also, I'm not the only one to notice how a lot of the people you listed did not like Ryan much.
"You said nothing about Onyx Apples or Gelts. So I guess if one portion of one thing that I said was inaccurate, my entire statement eh? Flawless logic."
What are gelts? Also, I said "He did not have an infinite supply." in my reply to you. That sentence was for all the items you listed. He did not have some awesome infinite supply of any of these items.
"First of all, Gordon's not banned on NSMS at the moment, so I'm led to question your judgment in this. "
I was talking about Gordon being banned on Noble.
"Mounts."
I don't know about you, but I don't use mounts all the time. haha I use Red Whips/Maplemas Lights when I walk around.
"Bathrobe or Sauna--same thing for all intents and purposes. And are you really expecting me to believe that you could so easily obtain a perfect weapon simply by farming a good degree with no white scrolls? No one even on GMS was able to do that. BSUCLA needed white scrolls to perfect his. I'm hesitant to believe that anyone would be able to get significantly luckier than that. Statistically, the chance of 7 30%s working on a row is 0.022%. You've got to be shitting me."
He did not use bathrobes OR saunas. lol Things on private servers are a hell of a lot easier to obtain than in GMS. Yes. Even in NightsoulMS. It happened regardless if you believe it or not.
"Power guard only reduces damage by 40%. This should not mitigate the knockback effect; 60% of 1 damage is still 0.6, which is rounded up to a 1. So he'd still be getting knocked back. Only power stance should be able to negate the knockback, and that skill doesn't work in JQs. Unless of course you use some sort of hack or glitch and thereby subvert the rules. This is the most damning piece of evidence against him as far as this server goes and you've done nothing to refute it."
I don't know how closely you were looking at him during JQs, but he definitely still got knocked back. I'm not sure about this server, but PG definitely worked in NSMS.
"Point still stands that the people I've seen on this server are generally above charging things like that out of greed. "
Yeah, the people on this server are very nice. First server I've seen that doesn't charge in one way or another for a zhelm. But you were talking about Ryan in NSMS. Not this server.
"Sure, but like I've said earlier, I'm led to distrust your account of things for a variety of reasons as well. I can only tell what I observe since I'm the impartial 3rd party."
Name your reasons.
"No, nobody is ever obligated to help one another ("obligated" is the word you were looking for), but in my book, anyone who looks past himself and his own myopic sight of the world is above someone like Derp who only cares about himself and contributes nothing to a community but strife and doubt."
My apologies vocabulary overlord. Not sure why I used that word. Anyways, he does care about others. He cares for his friends. Which sounds pretty normal to me. And from what I've seen, you don't necessarily bring peace to the server either. But "I can only tell what I observe since I'm the impartial 3rd party."
"I'm primarily trying to get across is that it's likely that Derp is simply good at hiding any conclusive evidence of hacking, and aspects of his character which I have observed suggest an unscrupulous, shady character."
How well do you know Ryan aside from what those that don't like him have told you? I'm sure it's not very much at all. Of course with the misinformation you've heard about it, it sounds likely that Ryan is some horrible shady human. lolol
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Post by Often on Mar 25, 2015 20:26:44 GMT -8
I don't care about Geisha's statements. They're as valid as me saying "There's verifiable proof that Randy is indeed innocent". She didn't post any sort of proof whatsoever. Do I doubt her words? Not one second. But to simply leave it there would be bullshit, that's why she herself said that she'll discuss it more later.
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Post by Will on Mar 25, 2015 20:27:22 GMT -8
No more comments, the next comment better be about Derp's ban appeal from a gm.
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