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Post by Kimberly on Dec 15, 2014 10:46:15 GMT -8
Stopped reading here. Its useless to argue with you, I give up.
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Post by SdwSlyr606 on Dec 15, 2014 13:08:01 GMT -8
Guys, enough fighting.  Anyways, the skill balancing as Ace said is in the very beginning stages so there's not much to explain for now. But basically it'll be based on the 2 skill balancement patches that happened on GMS before Big Bang happened. One was around in the late v60s or so, and the other being v86. If I can find the links that will further explain those in good detail I'll edit this post with them. This was talked about months ago on the old forums for those who don't have much of an ide a on what we're talking about lol, as well as with a good bit of you in-game. Nerfs are the last thing we ever want to consider, though there is a problem to solve with NLs and the Sharp Eyes skill. If we released the files as-is, well let's just say that Ninni (Corsairs) would no longer have the highest DPS lol. That's how much of an increase NLs would get with SE compared to the other classes. Then GodlySin would literally be godly. XD |
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Post by VonBIT on Dec 15, 2014 13:45:08 GMT -8
There were originally 2 ways what we were going to do with the rates, either A: Add in x2 cards and keep it 1x. Or B: Change it to 2x if Kalyb couldn't fix the 2x cards. Apparently somehow both happened, lmao. Making it perma 4x wouldn't be nearly as much of a concern if that former near mid-rate server didn't have the same rates as we would now if this was done. :F3: Other than that it seems fine, and there's not much other solutions besides this one. Least those that don't require a wipe, and as stated before, there will never be another one ever again. :D
So if you guys were to lower it to say, 7.5k NX per card, you think that the server would need to be wiped? Not sure if I get exactly what you mean on the whole subject. |
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Post by SdwSlyr606 on Dec 15, 2014 14:02:31 GMT -8
There were originally 2 ways what we were going to do with the rates, either A: Add in x2 cards and keep it 1x. Or B: Change it to 2x if Kalyb couldn't fix the 2x cards. Apparently somehow both happened, lmao. Making it perma 4x wouldn't be nearly as much of a concern if that former near mid-rate server didn't have the same rates as we would now if this was done. Other than that it seems fine, and there's not much other solutions besides this one. Least those that don't require a wipe, and as stated before, there will never be another one ever again. 
So if you guys were to lower it to say, 7.5k NX per card, you think that the server would need to be wiped? Not sure if I get exactly what you mean on the whole subject. Lower the cost is another solution but not as plausible than the perma 4x one. Though if that option was considered it'll be at least another couple of months or so before the next wz edits come around. |
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Post by wes on Dec 15, 2014 17:18:43 GMT -8
I'm just going to bring this up again. Communication between players and coders are KEY. I understand that you're coding and you're spending your precious time to do things for other people so they should be considerate towards the time you spend on it. I for one am so fuckin grateful that when Nina stepped down, that we actually had one brave enough to step up. From me and most of the entire server, we fuckin thank you for stepping up Ace and other coders (behind the scenes that I don't know about). Truly fuckin thank you for keeping the server up. Without you guys, there's no telling whether this server would've crumbled or not. I'm not saying I'm grateful that Nina stepped down, but we were fuckin lucky to have Ace/other coders step up and continue their monumental support on the server ON THEIR OWN TIME (i might add). Nina, you will always be remembered and loved. I'm not hating on you, just in case you or other people misunderstood what I was writing.
Then again onto the more complaint/feedback, the reason we need to have communication between coders/GMs/players are because of the constant complaints/suggestions that I've been seeing around the FM/buddy chats/guild chats/whispers.
Players: You guys have to understand that coders aren't limited to only your suggestions. They also have to shape the server around the original plan of the host/creator/GMs. I understand you guys are frustrated that things happen and you guys have no clue certain thing change. But you have to understand that coders are limited and at the same time free with their coding/planning/structure of the server.
Coders/GMs: You guys are the alpha dogs and at the same time, the underdogs. As hard as it is to do, but GMs have to be completely void of... not emotions but on taking sides. I understand that you wouldn't listen to someone that took advantage of that. But hear me out and understand that GMs/coders don't make up the server. They don't keep it up and running. To be honest, it's the players (even though I should be saying it's the guy that wants the server and pays for it). Honestly GMs, you guys were/are players of the server at one time. Maybe you might not have the shared passion or frustration as the current players have, but you understand to an extent of what players feel.
Onto another thing why communication is so KEY of all. Another one is leaving us and for good reasons too. It's Adam and he has his own things to handle. It might not be an instant leave. But communication will make the transition of losing Adam or others leaving a lot easier.
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Post by DiximaN on Dec 15, 2014 23:06:02 GMT -8
I really thinks that dks need this skill update so they can survive more against bosses, but it's not the most important thing in the world for me . The only thing I wait for is fixing the quests/pqs/bosses for the new areas. Any new news Ace/someone else ? |
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Post by SdwSlyr606 on Dec 15, 2014 23:21:45 GMT -8
I really thinks that dks need this skill update so they can survive more against bosses, but it's not the most important thing in the world for me . The only thing I wait for is fixing the quests/pqs/bosses for the new areas. Any new news Ace/someone else ? Quests will be attempted to be worked on some time after the skill update, or at least added to the point of them being able to get coded up and tested out. PQs such as CWK and Magaita will likely require us to find another active sufficient coder to help out with. Mainly since it's only Kalyb for the moment and he's been a bit busy here lately with some thing called real life. Either way it will be a good while at least for both, especially since Ace currently has school and the schedule is pretty tight for the moment. Dat life is real. |
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Post by DiximaN on Dec 15, 2014 23:39:39 GMT -8
Will the skill balances include positive changes to buccaneer class? I wanted to make one but after getting speed infusion and other skills nerfed I hardly see the point. It's sad too cause its not like buccs are a very popular or overpowered class :< Changes according to v86. Still need to find details about the 1st skill update. |
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Post by Ace on Dec 16, 2014 1:34:52 GMT -8
Not entirely sure if i am only going to replicate the v86 skill changes or developing a proper, customized skill re-balancing on my own.
The problem with these official updates is, that i cannot fulfill each of the listings from above, as not everything is handled by the .wz files. For instance, i can not do the mofication to my beloved Boomerang Step (decreasing the delay between skills). Stuff like that is done by the game client (.exe file) itself, so this exceeds my limits as the .wz editor here.
A brief compilation of what i am able to achieve by modifying the .wz files:
Damage percentages, hit count, mob count, attack (animation) speed, cooltimes, buff effects, HP/MP recoveries/conumptions, attack range (horizontal/vertical), proc chances on skills (e.g. poison, freeze..).
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Post by breakfast on Dec 16, 2014 23:45:49 GMT -8
On the topic of communication between us and GMs, I noticed that this server doesn't really use the yellow announcement thing at the top of the screen. I'm talking about this:  Please excuse the random image lol. Anyways I feel like if you guys used that to announce changes, events, news, etc. It would benefit both parties. Basically anything you feel the need to let us know about would be communicated through that since everyone can see it. Of course you can't fit really long messages there so it can be something brief like "Upcoming skill rework - check out forums for details" something along those lines obviously more professional. This would of course also work to get more people to check out the forums. Private servers i've played on in the past have used it extensively and I feel like it works well. Anyways just my suggestion to improve communication, idk if maybe you guys have tried it in the past to no success or something but just my 2 cents. |
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Post by SdwSlyr606 on Dec 17, 2014 0:58:09 GMT -8
We did that scrolling message at the top for a short while but just about everyone told us along the lines of "Get rid of that damn scrolling thing at the top" every time it was used. Lmao, so that's basically that. The only times I've used it since then was for very major things like having to restart to add in the current wz edit xmls in and then again when it was time to release the files to everyone.
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Post by Ruinius on Dec 17, 2014 4:31:09 GMT -8
What are the things that you like about on here?
Not sure if you mean from in-game or just on the forum...well I enjoy everything so far even though I've only recently started playing like a month ago i'm not sure, anyways i've lurked around the forums around early november due to stumbling upon the events that get offered lol. Through my time playing i've enjoyed the events hosted in-game even with the accidents that happen (lex d/cing several times in an event he hosted), and through the events i've meet some of the GM's and occasionally get treated as a toy by a certain baddy (Ace) lol also with any bugs/problems that arise the gm's are quick to respond either through the forum or just in-game and but through all of that you get to talk and you see that they indeed do not bite. Also i've noticed that adam will leave at the end of the month which is sad since i've only seen him a couple of times but nonetheless I enjoyed meeting him on those rare occasions.
What are the things that you don't like about on here?
Well since I'm still new I don't really find anything that I dislike. I mean I can't rage at the GM's every time I have a problem and they're not there immediately to help, they do have their own lives outside of this game. Though i'm sure some things will arise in given time.
What would you like to see changed if anything?
Well I think that's already done since the only thing I would've wanted changed is to see a gm physically there rather than be enveloped in the darkness spying on us LOL. I was surprised seeing the gm's pop outta nowhere several times or the surprise "lmao" in the fm chats. Anyways it's just nice to see the new gm spike in the fm.
What would you like to see added on here if anything?
I guess this still goes with the second question i'm still new so I don't know what I want added at this moment so later on I might have an idea lol
The only thing I can think of at this moment is having the option to have the game in fullscreen window mode as I was tired of seeing the tiny windowed screen but since i've had an additional account i've forgotten about this issue >.>
I forgot to mention maybe have some sort of banner at the top of the forum page for important announcements since i've read that a few disliked that scrolling banner in the game xD
On a side note... maybe a teamspeak or raidcall or some other voice server for everyone to talk in but then again this can be a hassle for some as not many like to talk to strangers lol...theres also a few that just stick with talking on skype (as it was pointed out to me).
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Post by Jaeger on Dec 17, 2014 5:39:02 GMT -8
On a side note... maybe a teamspeak or raidcall or some other voice server for everyone to talk in but then again this can be a hassle for some as not many like to talk to strangers lol...theres also a few that just stick with talking on skype (as it was pointed out to me). Definitely. I'd personally be willing to pay for a TS server, if people would use it. |
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Post by wes on Dec 17, 2014 11:36:37 GMT -8
On a side note... maybe a teamspeak or raidcall or some other voice server for everyone to talk in but then again this can be a hassle for some as not many like to talk to strangers lol...theres also a few that just stick with talking on skype (as it was pointed out to me). Definitely. I'd personally be willing to pay for a TS server, if people would use it. To be honest, I've only rarely heard about people asking for a skype/ts/raidcall. I for one, am one of those that have attempted to host a big enough skype call for people who wanted/attempted to join. I've only ever gotten at most like... 7 people. But yeah, I'd be down to make a raidcall/skype group to host only if people are willing to use it. |
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Post by wes on Dec 17, 2014 11:38:37 GMT -8
What would you like to see changed if anything?Well I think that's already done since the only thing I would've wanted changed is to see a gm physically there rather than be enveloped in the darkness spying on us LOL. I was surprised seeing the gm's pop outta nowhere several times or the surprise "lmao" in the fm chats. Anyways it's just nice to see the new gm spike in the fm. That would honestly defeat the purpose a GM stalking for hackers... But yeah, only Peter or Adam actually do that. The other GMs I've seen so far are just ones afking at FM or hosting events. |
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Post by SdwSlyr606 on Dec 17, 2014 13:07:58 GMT -8
On a side note... maybe a teamspeak or raidcall or some other voice server for everyone to talk in but then again this can be a hassle for some as not many like to talk to strangers lol...theres also a few that just stick with talking on skype (as it was pointed out to me). Definitely. I'd personally be willing to pay for a TS server, if people would use it. Yeah that's the keyword, "if people would use it" lol. We've tried Skype, IRC, and one other thing before (can't remember what this other thing was). Hardly anyone would use it, much like these forums. Skype worked for about a couple of months or so but I ended up no longer adding people onto the group chat over a year ago, and IRC lasted about 2 days with having people other than Kalyb and I on it. If people want something like that then it's fine, I certainly won't be the one setting it up though lol. |
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Post by Ruinius on Dec 17, 2014 15:35:24 GMT -8
What would you like to see changed if anything?Well I think that's already done since the only thing I would've wanted changed is to see a gm physically there rather than be enveloped in the darkness spying on us LOL. I was surprised seeing the gm's pop outta nowhere several times or the surprise "lmao" in the fm chats. Anyways it's just nice to see the new gm spike in the fm. That would honestly defeat the purpose a GM stalking for hackers... But yeah, only Peter or Adam actually do that. The other GMs I've seen so far are just ones afking at FM or hosting events. I mean when they're in the fm where they occasionally chat with the players through the darkness lol for me it just feels weird talking to myself alone there without seeing someone "physically" though that sounds kinda ironic since we can't actually see each other xD anyways...I set up a group in raidcall for my guild and posted it on the bbs but not many have noticed it or prolly just a hassle to go look in there lol and rather than a teamspeak which someone will have to pay to host it, raidcall is free so take your pick lol though it does seem like a lot of work to set up channels and monitor over some people if they do get out of control  Forgot to add the raidcall ID so you guys can search for it ID:10092542Oh and the group is private so peeps will have to apply for the group and if thats to much work i'll just make the group semi public |
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Post by Jaeger on Dec 20, 2014 6:23:08 GMT -8
Yeah I'm only saying TS, cause that's the only one that I've ever actually used lol. And it's not that expensive, like here it's only $9 a month for a limit of 30 users at a time, which is chump change that I wouldn't mind paying. Never used raidcall though, I'll get on later. Hopefully some of you guys are too |
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Post by kalyb on Dec 20, 2014 11:47:57 GMT -8
I would definately use TS if you paid for it
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Post by VonBIT on Dec 20, 2014 14:11:38 GMT -8
Maybe this is just something that people who have owned and produced a server will understand. But, the whole argument that the server is "for the people", and that everything should fit the majority of the player's needs, is rather untrue. Owners / staff, will only add and try to implement things that they feel will be good for the server. If you don't like the changes being made to the server, you rather can bear through it and adapt, actually try to make a change instead of whining, or leave. Some people will still argue that the server is made for the people playing, while in reality it was made for the creator(s). Notice how the Rank #1 player, is also an owner here. Think back to the roots, this server was made once another server that the owners had played at, had fallen. It was made so that the owners had a place to play. While, the staff will still try to "fit the community's needs", they will not add anything that they believe shouldn't be added, even if the whole server seems to be supporting it.
Just wanted to throw that out there, not targeting anyone, I just see this argument way too much. If you still think that the server is "for the people" then just keep believing that, and get your hopes let down.
On a side note, after playing actively for near a week here, I can say that this server is the most fun that I've had on MapleStory, in a long time. I'm not sure if it's the actual server, or that I'm doing the Hardcore challenge, but I've been having fun playing. As for changes to the server.. I'd just like to see more maps, quests, bosses, cosmetics, items (Cash Shop, etc.). I think that the skill revamp / re-balance will be fine, and help make the underdog classes better. I like the direction that the server is going, and hope that the server just keeps going.
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